turbo

[Stevie Tc954]

hey im a new member.. couple questions.
i have injen CAI right now, about to lower it, eventually want to get turbo when i save up the 4000... what am i going to need?? also im probably going to get injen cat back exhaust.. do i need headers for turbo?

any other tips.. and unfortunetly have a auto

wen u turbo it u lose everything for n/a(naturally aspirated) and no u dont need headers.. is it a kit u will be buying or a custom set up? if a kit it will prob come with a cast manifold if custom ull get a tubular manifold... if u go s/c u keep all ur n/a stuff

[chris tota]

ya.. im kinda thinking s/c now.. im not going to be able to save up that much money for a turbo..

[B_Real45]

If you're planning on going S/C, start reading up on all the S/C failures and the problems people are having trying to get Scion to warranty the fix.

Scion/TRD FTL.

[navylife59]

True, but what about all of the turbo failures; kit or custom? They probably even out to be the same. Try getting a "warranty" with a turbo kit. Turbos inherently are more complicated and cost more. With a very limited warranty (if at all), the risk is much greater than with the TRD S/C. Dealer installed will bring the warranty into the power train warranty.

Don't get me wrong, I have had a cracked bracket, failed idler bearings, and a shaft seal leak. The TRD shaft design has a lot left to be desired.

What matters is really what one can afford. Then ya have to decide what you want; big power and control or consistent, set performance. Last to consider is the risks associated with self-install or if there is going to be a reliable shop to perform the install.

[B_Real45]

True, but what about all of the turbo failures; kit or custom? They probably even out to be the same. Try getting a "warranty" with a turbo kit.

The difference is that with a turbo, you're going into the project already knowing you're not going to rely on a warranty. What sucks about the TRD S/C is that you get it thinking TRD/Scion will back you up, when in reality they pull every string possible to not cover you because it's a big hit to them.

Turbos inherently are more complicated and cost more. With a very limited warranty (if at all), the risk is much greater than with the TRD S/C.

That statement is an opinion. Some people do not get razzled over more lines or piping. Turbos are not any more/less complicated to install or to tune. My Turbonetics kit was a breeze to install and I'm not a mechanic.

Don't get me wrong, I have had a cracked bracket, failed idler bearings, and a shaft seal leak. The TRD shaft design has a lot left to be desired.

Very true - lots of people are not getting warrantied for the shaft.. and have to pay out of their pocket.

What matters is really what one can afford. Then ya have to decide what you want; big power and control or consistent, set performance. Last to consider is the risks associated with self-install or if there is going to be a reliable shop to perform the install.

That is true with either turbo or S/C. Know what your goals are. And don't just think that S/C = consistent set performance vs Turbo = big power. Either one can be the other.. a turbo can be moderate power and "consistent" and a S/C could be big power. It all depends on what you buy and how it's tuned. As for TRD, there's really no option. Just slap it on, get the TRD flash, and pray nothing breaks.. and if something does, pray your dealer has mercy.

[chris tota]

makes me not want to neither of them.. haha.. it would take me a long time to save up for a turbo but now it seems like the S/C has just as many problems.. but why wouldnt TRD back the warrenty up?

[B_Real45]

I think you can have fun with either setup.

You just need to always be prepared for the worst. Don't buy the TRD S/C for the reason that it will be warrantied. If you like the S/C, get it knowing that you may have to pay out of pocket for things that break - just like a turbo.

I happen to love my turbo.. 9psi and 275whp 272wtq.. so much fun and what's more satisfying is that I installed it myself. I now know my car better than before.

[bwolfe84]

well welcome, welcome

[chris tota]

ya.. the thing is though if by the time i save up the 4000 grand to buy the turbo and everything i dont know if i will want to put that much money into it.. maybe toward a newer car(audi a4 2.0t) haha.. it would probably be a couple of years

[navylife59]

The TRD/powertrain warranty on the kits stands only if you have not altered the S/C setup. If you are looking for a bit more power that is consistent and will be happy with just that, then the TRD should still be what you need. With the newer TRD kits, you can run up to 10PSI with I/H/E safely w/o the expense of a piggyback and tune. However, if you have any incling of boost happiness, then damn the warranty, full speed ahead with a trusted turbo kit.

I know that I sound so pro-TRD, the truth is that I am not. The TRD has it's flaws and limitations, just like everything else out there. I promote it only for the simple basic aspects of it for those owners out there who want to step up but don't want to take the big leap. Both have pros and cons, it is just a matter of which one fits your needs.

Trust me, Kenny Tran and Tony Cheung have been doing their best to talk me into going turbo on my build. My needs are better suited to a S/C setup. My next build will probably be a turbo though as I do want to run one. I like not following the majority and want to experiment with the TRD then a Rotrex to see what I can make out of them. It is just the old Hot Rodder in me.