Ground wire systems ?

[Trance]

What do they do ? Do they give you any gains in performance ?

[peruano85]

yea i'm with you on that...if someone knows about what they do let us know...i've seen them for sale on ebay and have no idea what they are used for...any info would be helpful

[warlock_bcrich]

they ground the engine better so that your spark plugs don't have to work so hard. yes they add power and torque to your car. how much power depends on where you ground it to.

[oneday]

You'd get performance gains by sending your $50 or $80 or whatever you were going to spend and mail it to me. That way you're wallet won't be weighing you down as much so you might pick up .001 second in your 0-80 MPH time. Yes I am very cynical about these products. They really do next to nothing. Find me proof that they actually increase horsepower and I'll recant my statement. That is all.

[warlock_bcrich]

you must never read magazines like import tuner and others that do these project cars. They always have ground wire kits on there. That the most proof that i can give you besides you coming out to where i live and we go to a dyno and run it with then let me take it off and we run it again.

[oneday]

Just because Import Tuner puts the product on the car doesn't mean that the grounding kit has any positive benefits...magazine project cars will put just about any part that they are given on to them.

As for me coming out there, you could always get your car dynoed with and without the kit installed and post up the charts.

[warlock_bcrich]

thats fine with me. Just let me know when you wanna do it. I am heading to iraq in january so it will have to be before or after i leave or come back. I am seriously saying i does add power it just depends on where you ground your engine to. a good very good ground for each one will throw you horsepower up than say a place that has paint on it. i don't expect you to take my word on it. because on here it seems you already have your mind made up about it. If you don't think it works then don't buy it. I am just trying to help everyone out with the question. I told ya'll what it does. And answered the question to this forum. what you do after that is simply up to you.

[oneday]

Dude, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest here. I was stating my opinion, just as you are stating yours. Obviously we differ in opinion, so let's just agree to disagree on this one.

Cheers.

[warlock_bcrich]

i'm not trying to get into an arguement by any means. you are saying that they don't do anything. i know for a fact that they do. But you are entitled to your opinion. i don't mind helping people out. I hope you will at least try the product before you say it doesn't do what it is designed to do.

[oneday]

Ah, I am cynical. But justifiably so. Unless I see the dyno runs--done one after the other--I would be skeptical of the results. I have seen one car gain 5 whp just because of the way the dyno operator turned a fan that was blowing in the room.

That said, I'm all for helping people out, but will not recommend a product that doesn't have proven results. Same goes for "As Seen On TV" types of products...you know what I mean: I know you've seen the "WInd Storm" (or whatever its called this week) intake system guaranteed to give you 10HP and increase fuel economy by 15mpg (numbers are made up but if you are genuinely interested I can find the links.

[warlock_bcrich]

i understand what you are saying. I've seen the same thing on a dyno. The whole Wind Storm think. I know for a fact they don't work because i was one of the guys that bought it to see if it would. Its good to be like that sometimes. I'm just a guy that thinks that everything should have a chance until it is proven it doesn't work. I would rather not talk about this whole ground wire kit anymore, though. Its good to talk to ya though.

[Scion Jon]

im sorry but im with oneday on this one...i need proof, otherwise its just another "performance chip" to me. i can't see something like this product having justifiable gains for the amount of money you spend on them.

[navylife59]

Upgrading your grounds is always a good idea. OEM grounds are designed to handle the amperage load of the stock electronics. Add ICE and you just overwhelmed the grounding system. That is to say the ground points from frame and motor to the battery. Providing an equalized grounding plane for the coil packs only serve to clean up any possible voltage spikes that may reside around high RPMs. Remember, the coil packs have separate grounds all leading to the same point. You re not going to increase the amperage load any. What you will possibly get rid of is ground differential. Ground diff is a common problem in sensitive electronics like headunits, signal processors, computers and such.

Don't waste your money on these eye-candy products. You can asily do this yourself with high-quality car audio power cables and connectors. If you really want to smooth out your electron flow, add a 1 macrofarad cap to the ground on your battery.

[tcchillin]

Originally Posted by oneday

You'd get performance gains by sending your $50 or $80 or whatever you were going to spend and mail it to me. That way you're wallet won't be weighing you down as much so you might pick up .001 second in your 0-80 MPH time. Yes I am very cynical about these products. They really do next to nothing. Find me proof that they actually increase horsepower and I'll recant my statement. That is all.

hahah. if you think it makes your engine look cool. it just uses your car as a battery so that your sparks have an easier time firing and you have smoother start and acceleration. it literaly is a waste of money you might pick up like 1/3 of a horse at the crank if you are lucky

[chicotunner07]

yeah its tru, kinda like an air diversion panel, no use, just looks, but hey, looks are looks, and everyone likes looks right! so get it if u want people

[Imagin]

THE GROUND SYSTEMS WORKS

Now some are a bit inflated. But YES they do give a gain in Horsepower. I can call some friends of mine that have the grounding systems put in and dynoed and see if theyll send me their dyno chart for before/after. Why do they give HP from something as simple as improving the grounds. I dont know. But i can verify that it is a decent upgrade to make. Expecially if you run a nice stereo, or want to just ground the car better, its worth it.

So if you do it, it wont hurt. Now i will say when you put it on, its best to have acess to a dyno. Due to the fact that changing the locations of the grounds can give/take power. So finding the optimum ground points takes time and a bit of dyno time.

[peruano85]

wow this is interesting.

[navylife59]

Read my previous post of how and why it works. It basically is only going to clean up the powerband at higher RPM's. That, in itself, is worth making the upgrade.

[peruano85]

i heard from people and reading magz that it was good to have and i've been wanting to do it but its not on my priority list yet..