WHOA!! I modded my stock intake and...

[scionide420]

oh yea ive done this mod on both my previous cars (jetta and 200sx) and it improved initial takeoff on both and I must say that it gives it a fairly clean and deep sound in high rpm's.

[navylife59]

The intake tube in the fender is a restriction.

[TBITB]

so i (seriously) swiss cheesed the bottom of the intake box and there is a definite difference to me. i'll probably get greedy next and take that whole tube out before the box!

[TBITB]

took the tube out. now for the carbon element...

[TBITB]

Carbon Element out!

now it's probably too late, but i told one of my boys i did this and he thought it was a terrible idea. i tried to explain to him that several of us on this forum had done this with no problems. he says the "science" behind the intake suggests that with modifying the box (taking out the pipe especially) changes the way the air flows to the filter. with a short ram, there is no box, just the filter. he suggests a loss in hp? he couldn't really explain beyond that and i feel no loss in hp - it's definitely a little quicker and louder! should i just tell him to shut up?

[Vmix06]

idk ive never seen this done before but he may be right on how the air flow is changed and could result in a loss of HP but the only way i know to prove whos right or wrong is to dyno it and see what the results are

[beyond305]

tell him that the more air you get crammed inside your engine, the more horsepower you get. Hence the reason a turbo creates massive amounts of hp and torque.

[Graphite]

I think once you open up an intake to the point that there's air coming up in random directions (think removing the entire intake and leaving the throttle body wide open) you can loose horsepower. When you add a larger diameter pipe, or open up the existing airbox before the filter, you'll open up useable power b/c the air is being directed into the throttle instead of letting the throttle scavange for air.

at least that's what I think is logical...???

[H.Series tC]

The place to be watching the mod is at the throttle body. If moding out at the box it will not change the air flow into the body, just allows more air in.

[hotrice]

oh ****. you guys are killing me taking your boxes apart cutting holes what are you thinking. if anything you are turning your stock intakes into short ram intakes. not a good thing because your car is sucking in all the hot air around your engine. yes you are getting more air but it's not good air. second thing i'm surprised you haven't thrown a cell. are intake systems are extreamly sensative. i had my cold air intake slip off the throttle body once and my car sounded like i was strangling her. you guys need to think about what you are doing. just go out and buy an intake.

[H.Series tC]

Well if your intk slipped from the throtle then ya, that is bad. Chopping the box isnt bad. When i initially chopped it i removed the lower vent which as I drive brings air into the engine compartment. Cooler air.

[beyond305]

short ram intakes arent all that bad and the power you gain from a CAI is very small (1-2 hp at the MOST!). Its all user preference..If you want a louder more agressive sounding car go with the short ram and if you must have every single hp there is to get then go with the CAI. I personally could careless about the extra hp you gain with the CAI, Il gain it with another mod like an exhaust. Modding the stock intake is only an alternative to those who dont have an intake yet or prefer to stay stock. It does have gains, I just dont have a dyno on hand to prove it.

[hotrice]

yeah but those gains you speak of you won't feel. a gain of 1 or 2 hp is all going to be in your head.

[TBITB]

hotrice what's the difference between taking off the pipe before the filter and buying a short ram? it seems like relatively the same thing to me.

if i had the cash i'd just buy CAI or SRI - trust me

[hotrice]

yes and know you have to rember with a short ram intake you have simply a large round filter to suck in air from all angles go straight into a tube that is desighned to be the least restricktive path for the air to flow into the intake with what it sounds like you are doing is removing part of the box limiting your air to one direction and not utalizing the stock intake and all it's parts that designed to work together in putting the most air possible to the intake. you have to rember that the pipe that runs down into the fender is bringing fresh cooler air directly into your intake box. yes i agree you are getting air though the whole but that air is not being sent into the intake. my suggestion if you want to get better air flow would be to remove the insert in the bumber right infront of the inlet channel leading up to the intake box. this is what i do when racing with my cai and it allows plenty of air to push in and around the pipe so that it can have the freshest coolest air available. hell if you think the pipe going into the the fender is so restricktive then get ya piece of three inch pipe bend it slightly to fit around the corner and rock on.

[TBITB]

i get it bro. i didnt realize that small difference was a big deal

[hotrice]

it's always the littlest things that make the biggest differences.

[longhornfanatic55]

so is this free mod a good idea or a bad idea guyS? it sounds like the whole idea is good but hotrice sounds like he knows what hes talking about! the fresh air is better for it...so is taking of the intake tube and getting rid of the CE a good idea? or is there something else i should do after i remove both of those things>?......

[Graphite]

you'll be fine. removing the fender tube & carbon element won't damage or hurt anything. you won't gain a significant amount of power like he said, but you'll have a nice growl under open throttle conditions.

put it like this: any intake you get, you'll be removing those 2 items anyways.

[thaipnoy]

well i took the carbon element and tube off a month ago when i went back to stock because of being pulled over and having to go to the ref, i have no problems (YET) but if its a bad idea then its to late lol but i can tell a difference not just in sound but in the feel of me driving like the throttle response having no lag