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2005 Scion Tc Brakes and Rotors

Discussion in 'Suspension & Brakes' started by Shaheed, Sep 2, 2011.

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    Shaheed New Member

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    Hello Everyone,

    I'm new to forum talks and wanted to ask fellow Tc owners for their advice.
    Before i begin I'd like you to know that I am not very knowledgable about cars and would appreciate any help advice you can offer.

    I have a 2005 Scion Tc and am looking to get my front and rear brakes done soon and I have noticed rust dust on my front wheels. Also wanted get my rotors replaced. My question is if i bought brakes and rotors online would i need to get anything else for the shop to install it for me?

    Here is what i am looking at getting
    Brake Rotors :: Brakes :: Scion Garage
    The Brembo cross drilled rotors front and rear.

    And

    Scion TC Brake Rotors, Pads, & Big Brake Kits - EBC Front Redstuff Ceramic Brake Pads Scion TC
    I understand this is the front brake only. I have a part number for the rear as well. Is this all i need to get the shop t install or do i need to buy calipers or whatever that is? Sorry for my ignorance. Would these brakes work fine with the rotors?
    Thank you in advance for your advice.

    ~S
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    navylife59 Super Moderator

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    The products that you are looking at ordering are high quality and will serve you well. I have the Redstuff and they do give a good bite. I have cross-drilled/slotted rotors as well. I have never had them under track conditions but I love to roar up to a red light and come to a hard stop without screeching the tires or going into ABS actuation. I have found that when my car sits along time and there is rust build up on the rotors from rain, I have to do a couple of hard stops to get back the maximum braking action. The rust build up acts like when you get your brakes wet, basically hydro-planning the pads. No big deal, just something for all to consider that gets rotor rust buildup from not using your car.

    I would suggest that you buy quality SS braided brake lines from either Goodrich or Stop-Tech, as well as, purging/filling the brake system with a quality synthetic brake fluid.

    NOTE: When it comes to brake fluids, make sure that it states safe for use with ABS. Not all fluids are compatible with the seals in the ABS servo.
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    Shaheed New Member

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    Thank you for the great advice and information. Now another question, and try not to laugh. I was wondering the costs listed on these websites for the front rotors. They are for the pair, correct? or is that per rotor? Thats would be a good chunk of change.
    Do you have any links for the brake lines? how much do they run.

    Thank you again.
    S
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    CadenceScion Moderator

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    I also have Cross-Drilled and Dimpled Rotors (EBC) w/ EBC GreenStuff Pads. I haven't had any issues w/ mine and the stopping power is so much better than OEM. I also second what NavyLife said about the Braided Stainless Steel Brake Lines, I bought the GoodRidge SS Lines but haven't installed them. If my memory severs me correctly, rotors will come as set front and rear.

    You can pick up the GoodRidge Brake lines from these sites:

    Google
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    Shaheed New Member

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    Thank you for some great advice. I have found that i can purchase the rotors separately ( fronts and rear ) However im not sure when it says front does that mean front pair. How much would a front pair cost? Wondering so i know what im looking at. I messaged the online help on their site however did not receive an answer back. I hope their customer service is not an indication of what it will be like if i had any problems with them.

    One more thing. What are the advantages of having stainless steel braided brake lines? I understand it has a higher psi. Is that the only advantage?
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    connman429 New Member

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    Apr 26, 2010
    Stailess steel brake lines have greater resistance to pulsation; that is, they don't flex like rubber lines do. This means fluid pressure is not absorbed (by line flex) on the way from the master cylinder to the brakes. Greater fluid pressure means better braking pressure.
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    CadenceScion Moderator

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    Another advantage to SS lines is they won't rust out like OEM lines. The only part of our OEM brake lines that aren't steel are the ones behind the front brakes, they are rubber.
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    Shaheed New Member

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    Ok, Thank you for some great advice and information. I will get the goodrich brake lines. Still trying to figure out if the rotors come as a pair front for $258 and rear pair $209. Does the price seem right for the pair?
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    connman429 New Member

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    I checked a couple other sites for price comparison. That should be the price for the pair.
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    Shaheed New Member

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    Which is better to get cross drilled or slotted rotors? How much difference does it make? I was initially going to go with the Brembo cross drilled however those seem to be sold. What am i to look for? Some rotors are listed as having Zinc.

    If i get the EBC slotted rotors does it matter which brakes i get?

    Sorry, I know i have a lot of question. Appreciate your help and patience.
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    CadenceScion Moderator

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    If it was me I would get a slotted rotor, but a drilled and slotted rotor or dimpled rotors are fine also. Buy name brand rotors (Centric Rotors), and stay away from cheap knock-off/no-name rotors on Ebay.

    I have the EBC Slotted and Dimpled Rotors and they work great, haven't had any issues w/ them. For a street vehicle under 200HP, the EBC GreenStuff Brake Pads are recommended, which I also have. If your vehicle exceeds 200+ HP, you'll want the EBC Red Stuff. Other good brake pads to buy are as follows: HAWK, Wagner Thermo-Quiet, Raybestos, or Durlast-Gold Series (Auto-Zone).

    I would also suggest a ceramic brake pad, which are quieter and less dusty compared to a semi-metallic brake pad.
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    connman429 New Member

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    The zinc is included in the steel alloy in order to prevent corrosion. It has no effect on the hardness of the rotor, either good or bad.
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    CadenceScion Moderator

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    My EBC Rotors came w/ a coating to help prevent rust and corrosion. Its not a 100% guarantee but helps.
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    Shaheed New Member

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    Thank you very much. I think i get it now. Appreciate the info.
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    Shaheed New Member

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    Anyone heard of Centric Rotors or have any experience with it? From what i have read Centric rotors are made by the same company Stop tech. Anyone have experience with them warping etc?

    I read somewhere that people using them have had no issues other then the usual rusting over time. I suppose these would equal to stock rotors? However they also have cross drilled/slotted rotors.
    I came across this forum link below and this persons review on the basic rotors.

    What are your thoughts on the cross drileld/slotted rotors?

    Centric Rotors-My Review-With Pics!!! UPDATED 3/2010 - my.IS - Lexus IS Forum
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    CadenceScion Moderator

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    Drilled and Slotted Rotors are fine as they are name brand, not Ebay or Knock-Off's. IMO they perform better than OEM blanks. As long as you do your home prior to buying, you'll be fine. I would suggest going with either StopTech, EBC, Brembo, or PowerSlot. Drilled and Slotted Rotors will have more bite, stay cooler and help to expel away the brake dust and heat generated.
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    Shaheed New Member

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    I ended up purchasing the EBC dimpled slotted rotors the other day. To my surprise the arrived today. I love surprises!
    However I am waiting on the SS brake lines to come in so i can get them all installed at the same time with the EBC brakes.

    Slowly by surely the car is coming along. Intake, Brakes, Rotors, brake lines, Subs, amp. Next i would like to save up to change out the Headlights and lower the car. Still trying to sort through if i need new struts if i lower it plus the Sway bars. After that i'd like to get the RS Hood with scoop ( not Carbon Fiber ) Still wondering if i need hood pins with that ( I'm not a big fan of hood pins )
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    CadenceScion Moderator

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    If you do get new struts, I would suggest getting Tokico HP Series. As far as the hood pins go, they do recommend them, but from others that I have seen with after market hoods (fiberglass and carbon fiber), you don't need them and I personally don't like hood pins on a tuner, a muscle car yes. If your looking at hoods, checkout Kaminari's hoods and ScionPro.com.
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    navylife59 Super Moderator

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    The OEM struts are good for drops up to about 2.00". Beyond that, you will need to look at height adjustable struts, a feature on most coilovers. I have found the Hotchkis drop springs to give the best overall lowering, clearance, handling, ride comfort, quality, and price.

    Most CF/Fiberglass hood manufactures put the hood pin disclaimer to protect their ass-sets. If the hood is built properly and has a metal catch/plate, it does not need hood pins. Hood pins are required by most sanctioning bodies because the stresses put onto the chassis can flex a CF, fiberglass, aluminum, composite, or even an OEM hood enough to release the catch. All OEM hood latches have a safety catch (the part that you have to push down to open after you pull the hood release handle) designed to prevent an accidentally pulled release or latch failure from materializing into a fully opened hood. I have experienced this twice on my second hotrod. Once while going down the highway and the second just after going on a green light when a strong gust caught it. I bought the car with about 80% of frontal crash repair finished. The latch mechanism would never adjust perfect so I ended up installing hood pins.

    If you feel that must install hood pins, you might consider 2 alternatives. The best solution is to install a set of Aero Catches AeroCatch® - new design of bonnet pin, available in locking or non-locking versions – see how it works.......... The second would be to install safety lanyards. These are 1/8" or smaller steel cables that are attached to the upper radiator support frame and connected, inconspicuously on the underside of the hood. Nothing showing on the outside. I have been driving with an VIS Evo Style CF hood for 3 years or more. Only the OEM hood latch is used with no issue. I do put the car thru some paces in the tight turns so much so that I broke one of my upgraded rear swaybar endlinks.
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    Shaheed New Member

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    Ummmm...that webiste seems hacked by some Islamic message thing. Lol

    Thank you for the info though.

    At least the first one. The others seem fine. Strange...i best stay away from that.

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